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sun_line
29-08-06, 07:46 AM
Hi guys! This is a non-horsey question, but as most horsey people also own dogs I thought I would try you guys out. I have 2 small chihuahuas ( I know, not very horsey dogs, but my little boy LOOKS like a kelpie at least!!). I mainly feed them slices from those roll type dog foods, you know the ones that look like luncheon? I buy them a good quality one, but both pups keep going through grumbly, squeaky bellies off and on. When they get it they are reluctant to eat, but are otherwise ok. A quick call to the vet today, who has suggested I try out different feeds. So my question is, what does everyone else feed? Dry biccies, or tinned, or fresh meat? Anybody else with sensitive-tummied little mates?
Thanks
Cheers

simigirl75
29-08-06, 08:21 AM
Hi

You will find those rolls are full of water. You little ones will not be eating nutrition as you think. Those rolls are okay if you are adding some dry food for them as well but could be full of water and fat. You may find their bellies rumbling could also be belly aches.

Seeing as your dogs are only little it wouldn't cost you a fortune to feed. This is what I would feed them:

Some good quality dry food (from supermarket is fine) and even some real meat :). Try some nights/or mornings when even they get fed, giving them a raw chicken wing (good for chewing too)with a small handful of good quality dry food and other nights/mornings you can give them some fresh beef (half a handful). You can buy little packs of pet mince and pet steak from your local supermarket. Just remember they are small so don't feed too much.

It doesn't hurt to give them a rawhide type chew once a week/fortnight. Chewing helps with their breath and helps keep their teeth in order.


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Sit on a horse and laugh and
talk...
I saw a child who could only
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Mount a horse and sit up Tall...
I saw a child born into strife,
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say,
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Wembury
29-08-06, 09:26 AM
Hi There Sun_Line,

I am a great believer in Dr Ian Billinghurst's BARF diet- that stands for bones and raw food.
He advocates that raw food is much better than cooked and I would have to say that my dogs are much healthier and happier on his natural diet.

You can find out more info at the following site...
http://www.drianbillinghurst.com/barf_philosophy.html

I have been following his theories for about 6 or 7 years and even wean my baby puppies onto this food..... it is basically raw fruit and vegetables that have been totally broken down in a blender or juicer (You know that pulp that is left when you make juice - perfect) then you mix that with some acidophilus yoghert and some raw mince..... I always buy chicken pet mince. I make up the mixture and freeze it into portions. I usually add a little bit of Kelp, Brewers yeast, Cod Liver Oil, Vitamin C powder and whatever else feels right.

I also feed the bigger dogs chicken necks, wings or carcasses.... (all raw). plus I give them brisket bones etc.

I notice that their poo's are less squishy and stinky and their breath smells better... plus they never have tummy upsets.:)

peanut
29-08-06, 09:45 AM
Hi, i have a maltese chihuahua and she has a very sensitive tummy, also mind you very spoilt so maybe thats my fault! i can pretty much only feed her chicken, cooked plain pasta fish and vegies cut up realy small.
if anyone gives her even the smallest amout of pretty much everything i didnt mention she leaves us some nice pressies :( and gets upset/ embarrased ,she loves pigs ears and smackos but cant have them either.

eukanuba (sp) is also very good iv found, it has vitamins ect and lasts her ages, i just have it in one of the feeder thingos and she eats when she needs it.

sheryl
29-08-06, 10:52 AM
Our chihuahua is almost 13 years old now and all her life she has eaten cat biscuits, small mutton flap portions raw....from Woolworths sold as Lamb Breast Riblets!!! only about $2 for a weeks supply....chicken or raw mince (best mince for humans)....she knows when we order in Chinese curried prawns..she goes crazy until she has been given several...loves taco mince, nust be that mexican blood coming through....and grated cheese

redsilktiffany
29-08-06, 12:36 PM
I have an 18 yr old Jack Russell who the last few years I have just fed the Fresh mince for dogs from the super market she loves it and is very heathy but blind and deaf.

Attitude..its not whether you get knocked down its whether you get up again.

rosco
29-08-06, 01:04 PM
I asked the vet about the different sorts of dog foods and she said canned food and dog rolls are 70% water. Biscuits are better... they have all the minerals and vitamins they need.
I have a 5mth old Great dane / mastiff and he gets Optimum (because i love the advert, lol) Puppy biscuits which he has to stay on until he's a year and a half old, raw chicken frames - one every 2nd day and left overs from tea. He eats all his veges too! We never give him cooked bones.

Hope this helps
Rosco
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Bowerbird
30-08-06, 04:44 AM
Hi everyone

I feed my little mini foxy cross a variety of different foods, as I think it would be pretty horrible to eat the same thing day in day out. I

I feed dog mince, chicken mince, cut up beef heart or liver - usually on special at the supermarket but beware it smells !!, and different varieties of the natural dog food in a can that you can also get at supermarkets. I always put a small handful of dried dog food in with it and mix it all up, and once a week I put an egg in as well for her coat.

Her absolute favourite is chicken necks, they are cheap and easy to feed, I just freeze them in little bags and defrost via the microwave as I go, though be warned - chicken necks are dog fart fodder and the farts stink worse than any other I have ever smelt lol!!

Bowerbird

Autumn
30-08-06, 07:18 AM
Dog food - one of my pet subjects. I could bore you to death for hours on this one lolol.

Best dog food = BARF (biologically appropriate raw food OR bones and raw foods). Simple, easy, econimical diet for dogs (and cats) designed by Dr Ian Billinghurst. Mostly commonsense really. http://www.drianbillinghurst.com.au/

It involves feeding mostly raw meaty bones with other RAW foods added. The emphasis is on raw, raw bones (chicken, pork, beef and lamb), raw meats, raw offal (from the butcher) raw veggies (not brassicas or potato types) and raw fruits. He has written books on this for easy use. Ive been feeding my border collies (including puppies) on this for over 12 years and never had a problem. I DO NOT feed any processed foods.

some yucky reading (dont read at meal time) http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/petfood1.html
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/petfood2.html
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Dragoness
30-08-06, 08:27 AM
Well, my dogs get canned food, I barely have enough time to cook my own dinner, I definately dont have the time to be preparing specialised meals for my dog. All our dogs have always been fed canned food from the supermarket, so far we've had 2 german shepherds, one lived to 16, the other to 14, and my bassett x who is now about 12ish and going strong. Im not debating that they are mainly water, that is definately correct and our guys also got things like raw bones and dry food, but as for the links above, I really dont believe that. Not sure about America, but in Aus, pet food has to be considered 'fit' for human consumption and one of my friends is actually a chemical engineer whos job it is to actually decide what goes in their cans of dog food. As part of her presentations to her bosses on a continuous basis, she has to eat the food, (luckily for her not a full can!!!) so I just dont buy the stuff said in the stories above.

As for the upset tummies, if my girl gets one for whatever reason, I just give her dry food for a few days, but she has a pretty good tummy luckily.

Cheers

peanut
30-08-06, 09:42 AM
EWWWW your poor friend! and her poor partner lol . dosnt the can say Pet Food Only? hope it tastes good then :D

tcara
30-08-06, 11:40 AM
Firstly if you have a dietary question about your pups you should really ring your vet, they will be more than happy to discuss their food requirements with you.
I work in a vet practice, have done pet nutrition courses, & also am involved with puppy pre school & over the years one thing seems to be agreed apon by all involved (vets, nutritionist & various company reps) & that is that feeding a high quality dry food is the best you can do for your dogs. By high quality I mean a brand like Eukanuba, Science Diet, pedigree Advance, Royal Canin etc, buy them from your vet or pet store NOT the supermarket. The 'premium' foods have the same ingredients each & every bag where the supermarket brands have ingredients that vary with availability, price etc. (ie. one batch could be chicken byproduct, the next mainly veg, whatever is cheapest)The premium foods have been scientifically developed to cater for each stage of your dogs life. With small breed dogs they should be on puppy for the first 12months & then switched to adult until they are 7yo which is when they would go to senior.
The premium foods appear more expensive but THEY ARENT, Ive worked it out!!, most people dont realise how much they spend because they normally incorporate it in their grocery bill. Most premium foods companies offer frequent purchaser cards so you get a free bag every 5 or 6. Also dont worry about dogs eating the same food day in day out they arent like us they dont need variety (my dogs have eaten the same brand & flavour of food for 2yrs & have never turned their nose up at it) If you start giving your pups complex diets now you are setting your self up to have very fussy eaters.
Sorry to go on but so many people are harming their pets without even knowing it just by giving them the incorrect diet.
Finally by feeding dry food only your dog will-
have improved dental health
healthy skin & coat
firm stools (always a bonus :) )
just to name a few.
Please if all this advise is too much just call your vet they will more than happy to help.

sun_line
30-08-06, 01:01 PM
Hi guys, thanks for all your advice! Just so that everyone knows both my dogs get regular checkups at the vet, and both have been seen for the upset tummies. Unfortunately, I wasn't told about the water content of the roll foods, just advised to try cat food or pet mince with vegies. I agree that I don't have the time to cook the mince (so busy). I just wanted to get some ideas before I go shopping, by hearing everyone else's experiences.
Thanks so much.

simigirl75
30-08-06, 02:59 PM
I think if you are adding fresh meat to your good quality (non homebrand)dry food from the supermarket, they are fine for feeding your dogs. It is just balancing the right diet for them. If you don't want to do that then a vet store quality dry food is ideal as you don't have to add anything to it.

I agree with another poster, how boring would it be to eat the same thing everyday? Yep they get the nutrition but not the variety. In the wild they would of eaten a variety of foods. I prefer to feed my dogs some variety and they are definately not fussy eaters nor has any of my past dogs been fussy eaters.

By all means feed your dogs food that keeps them healthy and happy. My dogs get varitey of meats, chicken frames and brisket bones as well as a working dog dry food as they are very active. I had two vets on different occasions convinced my dogs were eating Eukanuba when they were on the above diet. They look really healthy and have beautiful shiny coats.

Find what works for you and keeps your dog healthy and happy.





~Simone ~
I saw a child who couldn’t walk,
Sit on a horse and laugh and
talk...
I saw a child who could only
crawl,
Mount a horse and sit up Tall...
I saw a child born into strife,
Take up and hold the reins of
life...
And that same child was heard to
say,
“Thank you God for showing me
the Way.”
- JOHN ANTHONY DAVIS

Autumn
31-08-06, 01:11 AM
ok - so lets think about what they would put in commercial pet foods. Seeing the range meat products available at the butchers, including offal such as heart, liver, kidney, tripe and the VERY large range of 'cuts', the only thing left over is the lungs and intestines. So where does all the 'meat' come from?

Up to 80% of commerical pet foods can be cereal based - and where does this cereal come from? I can assure you it WONT be any quality stuff at all. Even the lowest grade cereals are used as pig foods - so it must be the leftover dust off the floor.

Did you know that we spend more money per head on pet foods than on humans foods! Pretty sad really. Commercial pet foods have also been related to MOST pet problems, including: all cancers, eye problems, hip dysplasia, dental problems, urinary problems (to name but a few commonly seen ones).

You cannot convince me other wise that a multi billion dollar company would not buy the cheapest products to make an expensive product and huge profits.

At least if you are buying raw meay products for your pets you know EXACTLY what you are getting - dont get me started on additives, cutie shapes and pretty colours!!! And you will be helping Australia farmers, not some USA multinational company.
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