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sunday
06-01-07, 03:16 PM
In my limited experience, it seems foals are more like their dam.
My (colts) have had their mums' height, colouring and temperaments.
What are others experiences? Do your babies resemble mum or dad more, and in which way (do they have mums' height but dads' temperament?)
And if you were looking to breed a particular type of horse, would you want the stallion or the mare to be of that particular type, supposing you couldn't have both?
Any photos are good too, if you have peas in a pod like my two:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p228/appaloosa5/000_0178.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p228/appaloosa5/000_0183.jpg

Carol
06-01-07, 03:34 PM
My filly takes after her dad in every way. She has his head, his build, his mannerisms and temperament. Unfortunately don't have a photo of him I can put up. Theres a photo ot her in the yearlings thread. Does not seem to have much of her mum at all.
Cheers
Carol

gg_vice
06-01-07, 03:37 PM
Well, I think Teddy took after Dad more than Mum. He has a very laid-back easy going nature. Very easy to do anything with, and very easy to teach anything. Mum, I purchased as a very high strung 2yo. It would take ages to even get a halter on her (some Bad handling in her past!). I broke her in as a 5yo and she would trust you totally, a very different horse. But Teddy is the more Apache's looks and temperament.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/gg_vice/100_1061.jpg
Teddy
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/gg_vice/apache22006.jpg
Apache aka Dad
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/gg_vice/IMG_18731.jpg
Mum, Shaklana.

gg_vice
06-01-07, 03:43 PM
Oh, the one hind stocking - that's Chico D'oro, something very common in his lines.

CRISP
06-01-07, 04:09 PM
i have a few i can do here

1st is George aka Donikian, he is very much like his father and nothing like his mother. At 1 year is almost 15.1hh and built like a ....you know what.
George
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a5/Crisp2/George/26Nov06Elegant1Small.jpg
Sire: Donnerblitz
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a5/Crisp2/George/Donnerblitz.jpg
Dam:Florida
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a5/Crisp2/Flo/Floportraitcrop.jpg


and then I have my latest baby who at this stage I would say is more like dad, right down to matching ermine spots in his socks. Though more his mothers red bay colouring.

Leuka
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a5/Crisp2/Leuka/12NovNice.jpg
Sire: Leuwis
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a5/Crisp2/Leuwis/BreedORama.jpg
and Leuwis is more like his Grandsire Aachimides, than his sire Leuwin.
Aachimides
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a5/Crisp2/Leuwis/aachimedes2.jpg

Zorro
06-01-07, 05:09 PM
Crisp,
You just look after this Leuwis fellow. I just looked at him again. Itís a really good looking horse this one!
Zorro.

twinpines
06-01-07, 05:17 PM
My only foal so far this season has his mother Holly (Salute) colour and markings but otherwise is very much like his daddy, Dalziel (Don Schufro/Medallion). I'm very bad because I still haven't given him a name yet....Any suggestions?

http://www.wolfinghamwarmbloods.com/Emailed/hollyfoal2006/2007_0105foal0008-medium.jpg

Dalziel at 18 months
http://www.wolfinghamwarmbloods.com/2005%5F0827Dalziel0002.JPG

dragonlady
07-01-07, 12:34 AM
In the case of the pintos, I'd say it has to do with the mare probably being a homozygous tobiano, thereby reproducing her colour pattern without fail. The size of the mare does influence the size of the foal too, probably something to do with the amount of room to grow in utero rather than any genetics.

The sign of a good stallion is the ability to "stamp his stock". Not so much in colour, as this will be determined by the laws of colour genetics, but in conformation & temperament. Successful stallions owe their success to their ability to reproduce their desirable traits over, more or less, any mare put to them, producing a line of recognisable offspring.

blackhorse
07-01-07, 02:07 AM
In the Friesian studbook the stallions are tested on progeny after three years or so. At this point it is the stallions ability to put his stamp on the mares and pass on his good points that is looked at - does he contribute to the breed? If it deemed he does not, his breeding rights are revoked. Doesn't matter how spectacular he is, if he does not pass it on he is deemed useless as a sire. They select 20 young horses ranging from foals to three year olds to look at. 10 are selected by the stallion owner, 10 at random by the FPA

Of course the mare contributes as well. You can breed two identical matings and one will be like dad, one like mum - just depends on which gene is inherited and which is dominant and all those other lovely mitigating factos when genes act on each other thay makes breeding such an in exact science even in lmited gene pool.

The mare often contributes more to the temperament because of her presence.

shandi
07-01-07, 03:06 AM
I had a stallion in the 80's that continually passed on his action, good legs and the most honest and versitile progeny under saddle. Now I own a number of his progeny and grand get, and these traits are still in most of my stock.

I have found temperments seem to run in bloodlines. In the last few years I have had a couple of nervous type foals, that need alot of extra handling, and later find out that in the sire lines I have used, this is fairly common in their progeny. Breed the same mares to other lines, and the foals turn out completely different. All my mares have very easy temperments, and usually breed very confident foals.
As most of my mares decend from the stallion I had in the 80's, they are passing on the traits from him to alot of their progeny.

I find alot of stallions do improve the topline. I do feel you need a good dam line behind the stallions though.

With over looks, I think it is a bit of luck. full siblings often look nothing alike.

sunday
07-01-07, 06:44 AM
I realise you are right about stallions at stud having been proved to pass on their traits, which is why they are used I guess.
Could you have a really nice mare who likewise always passed on her traits?
And if so, which one would win out if the two were mated?
Sounds like most people on here think the stallion has more influence, which seems to follow the way we pay lots of money for the right stud fee.
I remember reading somewhere that the size of the mare determines the height of the offspring. And her temperament makes sense as she has more influence (though genetics play some part).
GG you are wrong :) your Ted looks like his mum I reckon, he has her finer build and head shape, if he were a chestnut they would be spitting image!
Dragonlady: would that mean this pinto mare would always reproduce her colour no matter which stallion?
In the wild, when there was one stallion and many mares, and this produced a diversity of sizes and builds (brumby and mustang herds are always a mixed bunch), wouldn't this point to the mares having more influence, otherwise the herd would be much more uniform after a few years with the same sire for all?

dragonlady
07-01-07, 07:26 AM
If the mare is homozygous tobiano (she'd have to be tested to make sure), then yes, she will always reproduce her pattern to any stallion.

Wild herds were subject to changes due to additional mares being added from time to time, young colts challenging & taking over the herd etc etc. However, where there was only one stallion & the same bunch of mixed mares, then over a couple of generations, yes, they would develop a more uniform look overall. This would be particularly prevalent when this only stallion began to serve his own daughters. As this is not a desirable thing in nature, wild herds had their own natural laws of succession.

Mares, of course, provide half the genetic mix, pass on size limitations & influence the early behaviour of the foal. However, a dominant, successful stallion is usually chosen due to his ability to add just that bit more to his stock.

lex007
07-01-07, 12:51 PM
Foals usually tend to get their temperaments from their mothers. They will follow their mothers example and learn from them ie how they respond to humans and being handled etc. If you have a bad tempered broodmare who is skittish, bad tempered and doesn't like to be handled by humans you can almost guarantee the foal wont have the same attitude compared to one that had a calm mother who was regularly handled and was friendly.
- Of course all this can change over the years

GSSH_Renee
07-01-07, 02:12 PM
Hi I'm a newie here but got very (curiosity killed the cat) curious about CH when there were many visits to the forum I usually torment.
So here I is in CH

I have had three colts born this year all by the same stallion. All three colts (one more foal due in a few weeks to same stallion) are most like their mothers in every way. There is however traits that are purely the stallion that aren't aesthetic/phenotypical but behavioural. All colts when startled or very curious, stick their tail straight up and square themselves up in front and 'pose' before hiding behind mum. there is also a distinct similarity around the eyes, a 'softness' that you see in the stallion, pics would explain I suppose but posting pics on my first (or is it second) post would be full on to start with.

Cades
07-01-07, 03:10 PM
My chestnut has thrown to her sire for body type, but everybody who has seen her swears blind she is her mother all over again. The head seems to be a mixture of both. Colour could have come from either parent as they both have a chestnut parent themselves. To me this girl takes after her sire.

The Tallyho Mandrake Filly :
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/wazmons/mandy1ro.gif

The sire :
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/wazmons/otherhorses/mandrake2.jpg

The Dam of both fillies, Pagan Verge (Cadence) :
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/wazmons/headshot.jpg

The Monokol Filly :
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/wazmons/mia1106.jpg

The sire :
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/wazmons/otherhorses/MONOKOL.jpg

The grey is a bit harder. Besides the colour, I can't see she has inherited much else from her sire. Maybe the pretty factor, Monokol did throw pretty horses. She is more like her dam in body type but is also 75% TB. I don't really see either parent in this one.

sunday
08-01-07, 05:36 AM
Hello Renee,
Welcome to CH! I was in the 100's of posts before I figured out how to post pics, and now there isn't a piccie thread I don't post on, it's addictive! (except for that show us Yourself one, too many gorgeous people make me shy).
Maybe your colts' behaviour is like their stallion just because they are colts? If you ever breed a filly by him would be interesting to see if she does the same 'posing' thing.
Lakota what a great shot! Love those action shots, really shows their personalities rather than just a 'standing looking pretty' shot.
Agree with everyone who says Candace and her daughter look the same. Have you just taken photos of the same horse on different days ? :)