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Kelvinator
26-05-07, 08:01 AM
can someone please explain the process....or various techniques used in starting a horse on the bit.

Is it something you can teach yourself to do?(books,dvds etc) Or do you need to have it done professionally?

Thanks Heaps :)

Kilronan
26-05-07, 08:53 AM
there are many ways of mouthing a horse and opinions will vary greatly as to what is the best tecnuqie!

It is basically the process of getting the horse to acept the bit ie turning right and left and stopping without any fuss!

It can be done by yourself and apparently Horse Problems has a great system you can buy to learn. But I would not suggest it a bad mouth is very dificult to correct and a good mouth is worth its weight in gold!

Kelvinator
26-05-07, 09:47 AM
What method do you prefer Kilronan? Is there any methods in your opinion that I should stay right away from so my horse has a better chance of having a good mouth as an end result?

Or lets say if I was to enquire through several different people 'experienced' in mouthing horses, what do you recommend I ask?

Kilronan
26-05-07, 10:08 AM
I am still undeicded as to what I prefer between long reinig (as this has dangers itself) or mouthing on the horses back this has danger associated with being on top and not in control!
It depends on the horse!
I have seen horses tied to a roller on each side etc for a while i would avoid this!
I would look into horse problems or Robbie hoarne in Sydney both excellent breakers!

Kelvinator
26-05-07, 10:17 AM
Ok will do, greatly appreciated Kilronan.

I am looking at purchasing a leopard appaloosa mare, everything else has been done with her for riding except the mouthing stage. I guess this is a good opportunity for me to have a crack at it as I will probably only be using her as a broodmare. Should be fun!(that is if I do it right :))

Thankyou for your advice.

Kel

ASHlover
26-05-07, 11:17 AM
"everything else has been done with her for riding except the mouthing stage"

Huh?? To me this says - she has had a saddle on, not much else..lol

Agree with Kilronan....get someone that knows how to mouth a horse properly to show you.....mouthing a horse correctly is not easy, and is something that needs to be done right - and quite often isn't, which I have to say was always good for me years ago when I used to break in horses for a living.......always had plenty of horses to remouth!
:)

NYPPER
26-05-07, 11:23 AM
Hi Kel,
Have a squiz at the Tom Roberts book "Horse Control - the Young Horse". It's a bible for training basics.
Cheers.

Kelvinator
27-05-07, 01:11 AM
Thanks guys, yes ASHlover I guess it does mean she has just had a saddle on her :)

I am also considering paying someone to start her from scratch for me. She is 14yrs old, I dont even know if it is worth the time and money??

Just had another look at her this morning, she has a fugly head but the rest of her is put together pretty well, she has great bone which impressed me other than her colour.

annieat4444
27-05-07, 01:27 AM
This is defininately a professional job, have seen lovely horses absolutely ruined by someone who wants to have a go or use a book to mouth a horse.

Only a complete idiot would want to mouth a horse from book or DVD.

annieat4444
27-05-07, 01:28 AM
Only a complete idiot would want to mouth a horse from a book or DVD.

Lisa an Gypsie
27-05-07, 02:06 AM
Out here all the breakers I know of "mouth" the horses by tying the reins to the girth of the saddle and leaving the horse all day in the round yard...they all seem to be fine have ridden a few broken like this and they all have nice soft mouths :o

BTW I am NOT advocating this to anyone...just providing a different way of doing it...

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simigirl75
27-05-07, 02:36 AM
Growing up Lisa I saw the same method - tying the horse's head to the girth with the inside rein. I imagine it's the same idea as with tying them to a roller?

When I was about 13 years old I broke in my quiet appy that we'd bred. It was never really planned but it happened gradually over time because he was so quiet. I mouthed him from his back but I'd done alot of groundwork with this fellow for quite some time.

A dressage lady moved next door and allowed us kids in the street to ride in her arena and agreed to give us lessons. After she found out I'd broken Rocky in myself, she asked me to bring him over before we started lessons. She placed him in her stable yard and tied his head to his girth with his inside rein and told me to leave him like this for a couple of hours. I absolutely hated it. I stayed with him for about an hour and she came and undid it and said he didn't need re mouthing as he never resisted the whole time. She began to give me lessons that week and she was very happy with how responsive Rocky was for a young horse.

I think it depends on the individual horse (are they quiet, high strung etc),what you're comfortable with and if you confident in what you're doing (and have enough knowledge to get you by and not put yourself in a dangerous position).

I've remouthed a few horses since then and always from being in the saddle but that's more because that's what I'm used to.

Seeing as you don't know this mare that well and she's an older girl, IMO I'd pay for it to be done professionally.


Cheers

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Dragoness
27-05-07, 03:08 AM
Sin was mouthed by having her bridle on for a few days, then a roller on for a few days, then sidereins attached from the bit to the roller (for a max of 20 minutes and not with her head to either side, just attched both sides) From there she was longreined to teach her stop and turn. She has to softest loviest mouth I have ever felt. Im not sure I would use this method on a more highly strung horse though, for fear that it would freak out with the pressure on the bit and flip over. Took Sin about 3 seconds to realise what was going on and to relax.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a145/Dragoness777/Sin_gearint.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a145/Dragoness777/Sinlongrein.jpg

Cheers

celebrity
27-05-07, 04:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HecGqfYfYuU

A video by Endo about mouthing a horse with issues.

And Horseproblems demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdYFGLAVP8g&mode=related&search=
and part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxl0726PbPY&mode=related&search=

sunlight
27-05-07, 10:51 AM
Dragoness, If you use longreining to teach the horse to stop and turn then why do you use the side reins at all?