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Equuinox
29-01-08, 03:51 AM
The saga of my little mare continues!
As she is starting to free up her front end, and her hooves are getting together her hind end problems have become worse!

She doesn't like to "stand" correctly - and will always choose to be camped under, with her back pushed up. Although this is much better than it used to be ( she used to stand all four feet about 1 foot apart and had a flat back, because it was so pushed up, with no wither) Currently she has an osteo working on her( who said if she wasn't such a sweet natured horse she'd be dangerous) and a massage therapist - wishing I was my horse - and there is improvement, but now she seems to "feel" the discomfort more. All this odd back end stance is causing her not to stretch out behind when she is in motion, as she carries herself so underneath.

Any thoughts from anyone that has gone through something else like this?
It's making me crazy as people are looking at me like I'm nuts to continue to persist with this horse through all these problems. Needless to say that her temprement and laid back nature is just too much to pass up! She really is sweet.
I've not taken on a "throw away" like this before that has so many issues.

Nox

Syzygy
29-01-08, 04:01 AM
A photograph would help. Camped under can be due to the way in which the feet are trimmed, conformation or injury, or of course, a combination of all.

Helen Davies of Melbourne Uni at Werribee is a specialist equine biomechanist!

Carola
29-01-08, 06:18 AM
Equuinox, obviously you must have posted before. I missed your story.
You say you have had competent help in the hoof department?
Camping under is a typical compensation stance for discomfort in the front hooves, or imbalances in the hinds.
Got any pictures?
Carola
www.EquineBareHoofCare.org
www.EquineSoundness.com

Equuinox
29-01-08, 07:40 AM
I wish I had pictures ( I never like taking them of horses that are obviously wrong). I will endevour to take some tonight.
I do have, what I hope to be, a competent trimmer. Recently ( a few months ago) we have started on the barefoot journey. I wish I could say that it was for the right reasons - but to be honest it was because she couldn't keep shoes on and was doing horrific damage to her hooves when ripping the damn things off. She hasn't looked back hoof wise - although the trimmer says she is tricky. Thankfully he and the osteo are working together to try to work it out.
Will post some pics tomorrow.
Then anyone can play pick the 101 faults :)

Nox

Equuinox
30-01-08, 06:28 AM
When you want to use your camera the damn batteries are flat! always happens to me - so I only got one... I'll try get more later.

This beautiful shot shows her camped in front - which is not her normal stance, but that was the way she was...
Please note the roach in her back ( not previously there before EI) and the wonderful way her ass looks clamped down.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj61/equuinox/29thJan08.jpg

Any ideas as having to deal with 2 different "specialist" who each seem to think the other has to fix it first is difficult ( although bravo to the trimmer who listened to me!)

Ta
Nox

gdh
30-01-08, 07:07 AM
http://www.thehorsemechanic.com/hoofcare.html
In case it's of any help & it did make a diff. in 2 of ours who were 'touchy' but not camped under. Photos are really hard to diagnose from lol, but her feet do look awfully short in that particular pic (to me!).

CM
30-01-08, 07:40 AM
What does the vet think?

Equuinox
30-01-08, 07:53 AM
Hehe,
That's the best her feet have looked since I have had her - they're very little, and were trimmed about 4 days ago.
The vet can't seem to find anything in particular wrong with her, apart from not enjoying having her hind legs pulled out in extension behind. Suggested a lot of things to diagnose, and then said that it would probably be a very expensive excercise and find nothing if muscular.

Equuinox
30-01-08, 08:17 AM
Found some hoof pics - they're about 7 weeks old though. See if anyone can pick the problems - please :)

Before Trim and After Trim Off Side
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj61/equuinox/OSHBefore.jpg http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj61/equuinox/OSHAfter.jpg

After Trim Near Side
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj61/equuinox/NSHAfter.jpg

Hind and Near After Trim
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj61/equuinox/HindAfter.jpg http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj61/equuinox/ForeSAfter.jpg

Blerg all looks so ugly to me.
Not standing on level ground - in washbay.

Nox
PS Thanks for the website - will try that out :)

zzahra84
03-02-08, 03:55 AM
I feel your pain! My mare look EXACTLY the same they could be twins!

My mare also doesnt stretch out behind and struggles to canter around corners. We retired her from racing as she would get to a corner and couldnt stay united in the canter/gallop.

I have since been doing alot of lunging and trying to get her to stretch down and use the muscles behind her wither as she is very hollow there.

She had a bad accident as a weaner and severed the extensor tendon in her near hind. I assume her trouble is due to her having to learn to use her muscles to lift the leg forward instead of the tendon lifting it.

I am looking into finding a chiro and/or muscle man who can help her release a little through her back.

My mares feet do not have the same angle behind as yours though, your mare looks to be more upright?

This is her below-

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p32/zzahra84/ZarnadeNov-Dec070032.jpg

Syzygy
03-02-08, 05:55 AM
Heels look too long, in my opinion. Also looks s if the quarters have been removed. This reduces the weight bearing surface of the foot.

If you are in Victoria, you should get onto Kate Sagar - physiotherapist with excellent knowledge of structure and motion. She is usually able to source the problem - figure out where the trouble started and the effects.

Last horse which came to me had a dreadful foot (after 12 months is pretty good) which caused all kinds of problems. Kate works very well with farriers. Horse now stands well and looks good.