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Shorty
31-10-08, 10:37 AM
Has anybody's horse ever had salmonella before? Our racehorse (at someone else's place) apparently came down with it yesterday and was lucky to make it through the night.

How does a horse get this as I've never had to deal with it before?

Thanks
Shorty

todotoday
31-10-08, 11:21 AM
this is what i found on Salmonella in horses.....

Salmonella - Horses

One may think that salmonella is the least of their horse’s health worries. However, salmonella bacteria are extremely common, widespread and long-lasting. In fact, laboratory samples of salmonella in dried feces have survived six years! In addition, some strains of salmonella bacteria have developed drug resistance to certain antibiotics, making them difficult to treat.

It is important to treat salmonella right away with veterinary assistance, as the toxins from the bacteria can cause far worse problems, such as laminitis and septicemia (overall infection of the body that can be fatal).

Salmonella spreads through the feces of an infected animal. Animals typically around a barn that can have it include birds, rodents, goats, cows, dogs, cats, llamas, even humans. When infected feces drop, they can infect pastures, feed, water, or any other surface that a horse might lick. Humans can contract salmonella as well from barn environments.

A major contributor is stress. A non-stressed horse can ingest the bacteria but suffer no ill effects (other than becoming a shedder to other animals), while horses that event, show, ship frequently or train rigorously will be much more susceptible to a major outbreak after coming in contact with salmonella.

Symptoms include diarrhea, elevated temperature, loss of appetite, colic and depression. A horse may not have all symptoms but a combination of them. Colic with elevated temperature is not typical colic but a possible salmonella infection. Have your vet send several manure samples for a culture as one sample alone may not reveal the infection.

Unfortunately, there is no vaccination for salmonella. Guarding against infection is the only alternative. Here are some tips for preventing salmonella:

• Keep feed bins securely covered
• Use the freshest water possible
• Do not place water or feed tubs under areas where birds roost
• Have a manure control plan that does not include spreading it on pasture
• Isolate any new animals on a non-dirt floor (dirt cannot be disinfected) and monitor their temperature for two weeks
• Wash hands and change shoes and clothes after visiting other arenas, barns or pastures
• Use footbaths with disinfectant and ask all visitors to step in it prior to entering your stable

If caught early, mild cases of salmonella should be fairly easy to treat. Isolation in a regularly disinfected stall, rest, relief from stress, and plenty of water and loose minerals are typical treatments. Severe cases of diarrhea require more monitoring, such as replacement of fluids through IV and medication. Infection usually lasts 7-10 days, but will shed in the infected animal’s manure for months afterward. Repeated feces testing will let you know when the animal is no longer shedding.

Strenuous disinfecting and complete isolation will be necessary to prevent the spread of the bacteria to other healthy animals, including yourself. Rubber gloves, separate feed/water tubs, separate manure forks, and other strict hygiene methods will need to be observed. After disinfecting, realize that any porous surface (such as wood or concrete) can still harbor these resistant bacteria, so sealant or new coats of paint are a good idea.

While many disinfect with a 10% bleach solution, bleach is not effective on organic surfaces. Instead, use StallSafe, which is potent but organic, biodegradable, and safe for use around animals.

Shorty
31-10-08, 11:40 AM
Thanks for info. Just found out we lost him this morning. Very sad.

bgw
31-10-08, 11:46 AM
Cyber hugs to you, how very sad. Know in your heat that you tried your best for him.

Regards Biddi

sassy_k
31-10-08, 11:52 AM
Shorty,

I am so sorry for your loss and am sending lots of cyberhugs in your direction.

Obviously he is destined for bigger things that he couldn't achieve with you.

***** Angel....with horns }> *****

MMC
31-10-08, 11:56 AM
Shorty I am very sad for you. Hope you are OK.

I don't have any experience with Salmonella in horses, but one of my children had it a few years ago, and was VERY sick.

Pillegro
31-10-08, 12:10 PM
My condolances Shorty. I am very sorry for the loss of your horse :-(

There are a few posts on here in the archives about colitis or salmonella. My mare had it 18 months ago and was one of the very few that survive. There have been ongoing problems.

I have found that many people that have experienced it, believe that surviving salmonella isn't that 'lucky'.


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pauper
31-10-08, 12:35 PM
Shorty you have my deepest sympathies, what a sad tragedy :(

i have heard of Salmonella poisoning happening when horse feed has been gotten into by mice, so am now pedantic about the feed being put straight into a rat proof container.

you have my prayers Pauper

raffles101
31-10-08, 12:57 PM
You have my deepest sympathy shorty. Hugs mate....
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raffles101
31-10-08, 12:57 PM
You have my deepest sympathy shorty. Hugs mate....
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Shorty
31-10-08, 01:03 PM
Thanks guy, much appreciated.

Does anybody know if it's contagous (sp?) to humans? Didn't know it was salmonella until about 2hrs ago and was out at the horse last night. Washed my hands and disinfected shoes before leaving stables. I'm also 4mths preggers, so now a little worried! eeekkkk.

Will make an apt for the docs this arvo.

Shorty

Shorty
31-10-08, 01:03 PM
Thanks guy, much appreciated.

Does anybody know if it's contagous (sp?) to humans? Didn't know it was salmonella until about 2hrs ago and was out at the horse last night. Washed my hands and disinfected shoes before leaving stables. I'm also 4mths preggers, so now a little worried! eeekkkk.

Will make an apt for the docs this arvo.

Shorty

zzahra84
31-10-08, 01:07 PM
No not contageous, it is commonly caused by having dirty paddock/yards (not picking up poo) and also dirty water troughs.

Foals and old horses seem to be more prone.

We use to have horses come down with it every year at my old work.

And there is a vaccine available. We were using it on the mares there.

zzahra84
31-10-08, 01:07 PM
No not contageous, it is commonly caused by having dirty paddock/yards (not picking up poo) and also dirty water troughs.

Foals and old horses seem to be more prone.

We use to have horses come down with it every year at my old work.

And there is a vaccine available. We were using it on the mares there.

pauper
31-10-08, 01:10 PM
Awwww Shorty congratulations on your pregnancy, we will be requiring regular baby updates :)
cheers Pauper


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pauper
31-10-08, 01:10 PM
Awwww Shorty congratulations on your pregnancy, we will be requiring regular baby updates :)
cheers Pauper


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Aargo
31-10-08, 01:15 PM
I would contact the vet re:contamination as it is a bacteria and I believe can be contracted by people, except not as serious for adult humans, but harmful for fetus' hence the fact that you should keep away from soft cheese, smoked salmon, cleaning cat litter, under cooked eggs (which carries salmonella) while pregnant.

I had issues while pregnant with CMV (cytomeglo virus) and false positives etc. Send me a message if you would like a little more info.

A

Aargo
31-10-08, 01:15 PM
I would contact the vet re:contamination as it is a bacteria and I believe can be contracted by people, except not as serious for adult humans, but harmful for fetus' hence the fact that you should keep away from soft cheese, smoked salmon, cleaning cat litter, under cooked eggs (which carries salmonella) while pregnant.

I had issues while pregnant with CMV (cytomeglo virus) and false positives etc. Send me a message if you would like a little more info.

A

Supersport
31-10-08, 03:30 PM
I had two young foals contract Salmonella 4 years ago. Didn't recognize the symptoms in the first one as he had just been weaned and just looked a little depressed. He was a quiet foal and it just seemed he was a little down. Still eating reasonable amounts but a little diarrhoea. Had he not just been weaned it may have been noticed in time. Once it became obvious he was ill he was admitted to equine hospital and started on some IV antibiotics but lost him two days later. By this time the other foal of the same age started showing symptoms and was also admitted. This one was still on mother so mum went too in adjoining stable. Once antibiotics have been administered the salmonella bug is not detectable in bloods or faeces but the foals were left no natural intestinal bugs and and the diarrhoea then became the life threatening issue. Remaining foal was filled with protexin, and a range of other products to help get the natural bugs going again. Specialists from all over the country were contacted for their input. This one survived and is now 4 years old but was touch and go for about 5 days. It was only the fact that she had a re-infection within days of arriving home that she could be tested and the salmonella was confirmed.

I was told at the time that possibly 3 in 5 horses shed salmonella naturally, especially if stressed, and this only is a problem for the very young, very old, or ill horses. We had very rainy weather for weeks and weeks before the infection, so perhaps this contributed. I was completely paranoid about the problem for the next foal born 6 months later, but have never had another case.

Bluebelle
31-10-08, 06:19 PM
Hi Shorty,

Sorry for the loss of your horse.

I have never had a horse with salmonella but had pleanty of calves that I fed and handle with salmonella. I was very conscious of washing and disinfecting hands and changing soiled clothes before coming home to my kids as it is infectious (via faeces) to humans. I'm sure that you have nothing to worry about with your pregnancy (and congratulations!) especially if you were careful with washing hands, etc after visiting your horse.

Re: salmonella - last year a dairy herd lost some adult cows due to dead infected mice & faeces in the grain feed system after the cows were milked in a dairy that had not beed used for a while (dead mice & faeces were "dispensed" with grain into the cow feeders in the dairy during milking). I'm very careful now not to feed mice-contaminated feed to my horses!

Pillegro
31-10-08, 09:11 PM
In my particular case, my horse was moved to a new property and got salmonella poisoning from duck poo in the water supply.

I had to be very careful about disinfecting and cleaning. Also making sure I did not go near any other horses on the property. You would know by now if you had it, as you would also be showing signs of Salmonella poisoning.

Its a very sad condition to witness - again, sorry for you loss. Congratulations on the pregnancy though!

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hilarytims
02-11-08, 03:18 PM
Many years ago horses being fed a vacuum-packed 'wet' feed died of salmonella at the stables where I then boarded(Wongabilla NT Police establishment). One, a stunning big warmblood cross, died a dreadful death, so I've avoided any such feed ever since.