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Mystery~Bay
09-10-11, 08:47 PM
Sorry for use of photo again..but

Brown or Bay? ASB papers say brown. Mane is black, but tail has a bit of brown on outside hairs
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff515/leah_brown1/IMAG0247.jpg

darkhorse3
09-10-11, 08:49 PM
looks Bay to me...but I don't know re all that genetic stuff, just on looks!

OakyPoke
09-10-11, 08:51 PM
Its probably a racing thing. I dont think they ever call a horse 'bay'. Mine is definitely bay with very obvious points...also registered as "Brown".

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j169/OakyPoke/Anabatik/266.jpg
My Brown horse ;)

Mystery~Bay
09-10-11, 08:59 PM
Its probably a racing thing. I dont think they ever call a horse 'bay'. Mine is definitely bay with very obvious points...also registered as "Brown".

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j169/OakyPoke/Anabatik/266.jpg
My Brown horse ;)

Aha thankyou! I just read the same thing on Wikipedia. I am filling out his EA rego papers and wasn't sure what to put!

Dark bay or "brown" horses often have lighter hair around the muzzle, eyes, flanks, and behind the elbow

That's him mostly. I just wondered if Bay was more like your horse Oaky Poke.

cobie
09-10-11, 09:23 PM
I say brown :)

screwloose
09-10-11, 09:28 PM
Its probably a racing thing. I dont think they ever call a horse 'bay'. Mine is definitely bay with very obvious points...also registered as "Brown".


My mare is labelled bay- guess she is just special :P she is more brown than anything in winter though!
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l528/screwloose17/DSC_0643.jpg
My old hack is also labelled bay BUT id actually call him brown...
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l528/screwloose17/Arty2007.jpg

MMC
09-10-11, 09:32 PM
Three Thouroughbreds, number one registered as Bay, number two registered as Bay/brown, number three, registered as brown.

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp34/MMCHorses/SQUIDAug2008011.jpg

He was always the same colour, Winter or Summer, just longer hair.

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp34/MMCHorses/Mambo087-1.jpg

This guy is Bay in Summer and a reddy brown in Winter. I am sorry I have no winter pictures, but trust me it's a boring brown.

This horse is bay in summer and brown in Winter. This was winter, he went red Bay in summer.
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp34/MMCHorses/TomsbirthdayandsomeSquid077.jpg

lea-owens
09-10-11, 09:58 PM
Browns almost never have socks (well, anything above a coronet) or blazes - just a small star at the most (unless they have Tobiano, of course). Some bays don't have white, either, but generally, if you're not sure if the horse is bay or brown and it has even a narrow blaze or one or more socks, then it is bay. I'd say the first horse is brown (but not always easy to tell from a photo) because of the shade of the muzzle area and around the face and neck. Some browns can appear almost bay and others are registered as black as they really can look almost black. You can always DNA for brown agouti or bay agouti, or just do what a lot of people do and write, bay/brown, but I'd guess that this one is brown.

OakyPoke
09-10-11, 10:04 PM
Hey MMC I love the horse in your second shot! Hubba hubba!!

And to add to the bay brown discussion, I was always taught as a kid that pretty much anything back in the day with black points was bay or buckskin.

And if that's true...then I never have seen a 'brown' horse (that would be like chestnut then but choccy brown instead of orangey? - ie no points)

Luca
09-10-11, 11:13 PM
My boy is registered as bay but has a tiny band of white on his coronet and a few white hairs on his face. Yours looks brown to me.

Buddy last summer.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/162918_492917339756_652464756_5704589_1787439_n.jp g

Just starting to drop his coat this year.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/301358_10150283934079757_652464756_7427643_4953488 _n.jpg

lalique
10-10-11, 07:55 AM
I go on the summer colour of the coat- if the majority of the body has a red base I call it bay, it red is absent from the coat then I call them brown. The exception is a yellow bay who is exactly that

You cant go on muzzle colour as brown and bay can have pangare

saturn
10-10-11, 08:08 AM
I've owned 2 with the same colouring and on their passports they were marked as Dark Bays.

So for me he is a dark bay!!

Lin2
10-10-11, 09:54 AM
I call mine a brown (and hideously overbent in this photo!)

He has a sock though?
http://i929.photobucket.com/albums/ad136/linleyc_photos/Sax2.jpg

Caille
10-10-11, 12:14 PM
Mine's registered as Brown/Black
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k356/caille_01/Gypsysfirstouting-1.jpg

And a side view in the sun so you can see the colour better (as any shadow/cloud you'd think she was black)


http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k356/caille_01/gypsyboo1yron.jpg

kait21
10-10-11, 12:53 PM
Caille and Lin, both browns IMO. :) Original poster - I have a mare the same colour, a slightly reddish brown, but I still think it's brown. Both her parents were brown. I don't know the specifics of genetics, but I would say your horse was brown or bay/brown at the most, but definitely wouldn't call him bay.

Mystery~Bay
10-10-11, 01:11 PM
Thanks all. Looks like we're boring old brown!! I did some interesting reading on colour genetics though. Fascinating!

Caille
10-10-11, 01:25 PM
Thanks all. Looks like we're boring old brown!! I did some interesting reading on colour genetics though. Fascinating!

Nothing boring about the deep, rich colour of a Lindt 85% bar that shines like diamonds and is dotted with dapples *drool* :D